The maintenance of the aircraft is still largely facilitated by the multiplicity of inspection panels, two thirds of the which are set not higher than 1.70 m. The AMX entered Italian service in 1989, with the delivery in April of that year of the first six production-series aircraft to the AMI test unit, "Riparto Sperimentale de Volo" based at Pratica di Mare. F16 in partiuclar. This is a little TOO good tbh. But you just enough spread, but dont want shotgun spread. The production of AMX is distributed among the three participant companies; each one has its own assembly line, with the different components being transported from a company to the others, for the final assembly. ITs  jet with 4th generation technology. I have noticed that the AMX A11A looks abit like the Grumman F11A Tiger, the only difference i see between the 2 is the cockpit, wing and nose. Amx 30. The detailed definition phase of the project was completed in March 1980. 20mm with such high burst mass is more than good enough to get the job done, especially since most american aircraft have at least 500 + rounds. M39s have noticably bigger spread. HUD allows a pilot to monitor crucial instruments without needing to look at the Analog Stuff below on the instrument panel blow, all while using HUD as a Sight for Aircraft Gunnery. In July 1981, the Italian and Brazilian governments agreed on joint requirements for the aircraft, and Embraer was invited to join the industrial partnership. For its self-defence, AMX is equipped with two air-air infrared guided missiles on wingtip rails as well as, in the Brazilian version, two DEFA 30mm cannons installed in the lower front fuselage (the Italian version carries a General Electric M61A1 Vulcan 20mm cannon, in the left lower front fuselage). On 12/8/2017 at 1:30 PM, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said: On 2017-12-08 at 6:30 AM, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said: AMX International AMX / A-11A - 9.0 Italian Jet Fighter/Ground striker. War Thunder Easy Mode – Russian Matilda Really This Easy!? The only reasons Those "other" nations ( Russia In particular) is because many built smaller , lighter planes and guns at the end of the day were considered  secondary armament to missiles in the post Korean Era. Completing ten years of service in 1999, the AMX continues in development. I remember all the fuss going around when the T-160s and ADENs were being introduced. How would the climb rate be game-breaking? https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=464, http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/amx-fighter-bomber/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX_International_AMX, https://www.fighter-planes.com/info/amx.htm, https://www.flyingmag.com/aircraft/jets/fly-by-wire-fact-versus-science-fiction. for M61's. 82 type bombs), unguided rockets, laser-guided intelligent bombs, air-ground and anti-radar missiles and laser target designators. AMX Mod (en), un programme destiné à l'administration des serveurs de jeux tel que Counter-Strike ; AMX, le nom d'un fabricant de casques de moto ; Allocataire moniteur de l'X. For SIm battles having HUD means no time is needed for heads down looking at instruments. also take in mind the moment the AMX Intl. What does the Super AMX-30 have to offer fans of the French tank line in War Thunder? The only reasons Those "other" nations ( Russia In particular) is because many built smaller , lighter planes and guns at the end of the day were considered  secondary armament to missiles in the post Korean Era. In early 1977, the Italian Air Force issued a requirement for 187 new-build strike fighters, which were to replace its existing Aeritalia G.91 in the close air support and reconnaissance missions, as well as the Lockheed RF-104G Starfighter also being used in the reconnaissance role. Suggestion passed to the developers for consideration. Just look at the cockpit avionics and the fact it has Fly by wire technology. The fifth prototype, A.05 MM X599 flew on 26 July 1986 and the sixth and last prototype, Brazilian-built YA-1 FAB 4201, made its first flight on 16 December 1986. exactly. I think that every Non supersonic plane could be added in game. Followers 3. aircraft/loadouts AMX International AMX / A-11A ... No overheating issues on Production M39s like In the T160s in war thunder. Powered by Invision Community. The first prototype, A.01, received the Italian military registration MM X594 and took off for the first time on 15 May 1984, under the command of Aeritalia chief test pilot, Manlio Quarantelli. Fair enough but beynd guns Avionics are too advanced. So? The pilot sits down in high position, offering a good view around the airplane. if thier efficiceny was  really on par with one another. ITs performance in top speed may be limited compared to other aircraft, but its still has a good climb rate. Quality over Quantity,in this case.Atleast according to what everyone except the US is currently using (and has been using for the last 40 years or so). Aermacchi had worked on a design study for a light ground attack aircraft, designated MB-340, during the early 1970s. Externally the AMX is given high-mounted monoplane wings, twin air intakes, and a single engine installation. Its smaller,lighter and more reliable package.You can pretty much mount the M61 plus ammo just for the weight of the quad M39s alone.Its more flexible in terms of where and how you mount it too,and as you can see above-you can adjust the dispersion pattern of the gun depending on what want to you use it for.It is the overall better system,but in terms of firepower it doesnt really offer more,atleast not in regards to Air-to-Air.Burst lenght (goes to M61,less overheating issues) vs Initial burstmass (which goes to the M39,because no 0.3 second delay until full RoF). The AMX-32 is armed with a non-stabilized 105 mm rifled gun, similar to that of the AMX-30. The Brazilian version of AMX will be equipped with a look-down/shoot-down multimode radar which will substantially enhance is combat capability. Why are people complaining so much about the armament? Pros. During 1980, the Brazilian government announced that they intended to participate in the program as a replacement for the Aermacchi MB-326. © 2021 by Gaijin Games Kft. Feb 11, 2017 - Explore Julio Arróspide's board "Air Forces - Brazilian Air Force", followed by 616 people on Pinterest. If you bring in the M61 its basically asking to add in stuff to compete with it. if thier efficiceny was  really on par with one another. 100 17 November 2020 Dagor Engine 6.0: Verbesserte visuelle und permanente Effekte und DLSS Wir fahren fort und besprechen wieder die Verbesserungen im Erscheinungsbild des Spiels, die die überarbeitete Grafik-Engine Dagor Engine 6.0 im nächsten großen Update. With the F2 sabre you cant  continuouslyeven fire all your ammo without overheating. © 2021 by Gaijin Games Kft. The aircraft  also has fly by wire system. Its not the same thing because theier seperate guns. The subsonic AMX International AMX (known as the "Gibli" to the Italian Air Force) was the result of cooperation between two Italian (Aeritalia - now Alenia - and Aermacchi) and one Brazilian (Embraer) aircraft firms. ( save for some exceptions). 52 m/s is good but not too high. War Thunder ist jetzt auf PlayStation®5 und auf Xbox Series X mit verbesserter Grafik, 4K-Auflösung und bis zu 60 FPS verfügbar. Would you like to see the A-11A in the game? Standard armament varied little between the Italian and the Brazilian types with the Italian version receiving a single 20mm General Electric internal, six-barrled, Gatling-style cannon and the Brazilian version being equipped with twin 30mm DEFA cannons. ... with only two prototypes (the two AMX 50 ; they can be removed if needed), this is the most historical solution. THROWING MORE GRENADES, HOLDING TWILIGHT GAP, TRASHTALKING THOSE DAMN ROOKIES! AS a DCS player ican tell you in non missile scenarios, or when they run  that the M61 is overall the best Gun avialable of any fighter. Twitch.tv/pieve16. Its exactly the same thing as far as amount of ordnance delivered to target goes.Hell,for the first second of fire it actually delivers more than the M61.Sure,it doesnt deliver a continous stream of bullets,but it delivers 4 at a time,so if one hits,chances are good that you will hit with more than one. The only thing OP here is the name and myth of the Vulcan, and probably 4xADEN. Kedves Játékosok! T160s Overheat ridociously fast. ( and still is to this day even more so due to greater lethality of modern missiles), No country has the Budget that US has. Not to mention when think of its ITs avionics, o the fact  It even has a Fly By wire control system. A very modern attack helicopter but against the KA-50? A daunting task for gajin to try and simulate the computer interpretation of the pilot stick movements to control the aircraft, when they cant even sometihng simple like regenerative steering to work for tanks. All nations have autocannons.Basically anything 20mm and above is a Autocannon.Hell,some consider 15mm and up autocannons.Now,do the other nations have Gatlings?No.But most have revolvercannons.The only exceptions here so far: Germany (might get two planes with those,G.91R.3 and Alphajet,seeing as it just went PTD) and Russia.Russia being literally the only nation that has any issues in regards to guns,but thats been that way ever since the F2 entered the Airspace.Which in turn is generally considered worse than the Hunter when it comes to firepower,largely because the quad ADEN´s are much more reliable at putting stuff down,even if you only hit with a handful of rounds. For example, in case the hydraulic system develops a fault, electric accumulators allow the operation of the landing gear, brakes and the front wheel, allowing for a smooth transition to the manual control of the elevators and ailerons. Development work on the joint venture began in April 1978. The problem is no nation has any rotary cannons or Auto canons. No overheating issues on Production M39s like In the T160s in war thunder. Just fifteen days later, during the fifth flight of the A.01, the turbine suffered a surgeduring the approach for landing. The Spey was originally designed in 1960 to equip the British carrier-based aircraft Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer (later on used by the Royal Air Force, having participated with distinction in the 1991 Gulf War). Would you like to see the A-11A in the game? For those who play  simulator battles, having a HUD ( and a modern one at that)  is going to be a game changer. Amx 13. Determined to fulfill this requirement with an all-indigenous fighter design, Aermacchi and Aeritalia set to work on what would become the "AMX". bigger calibres would only really be more usefull  for bombers maybe, but then again evenetualy Missile cam about for that. Not too high for a top tier jet and not too low; in the middle. No can tell you that from  both research and expereince playing various sims M61 is more effective a2a option  to the x4  M39. The Hunter F.1 actually climbs slightly better, at 55 m/s. However any platforms with better firepower than what the Mig17 has right now would be power Creep. The AMX received the A-1 designation in the FAB. Rolls-Royce proceeded to a modification, changing to 60% flight idling RPM to be used on the approach, which corrected the malfunction; AMX has already been successfully flown at an 45º angle-of-attack. Action filled War Thunder skies and battlefields, German Vehicles, History, Model building, Online Games. The failure happened due to the reduction of admission of air to the turbine, caused by the angle-of-attack (18º, the limit set to the aircraft during that phase of the development), combined with 52% flight idling RPM of the turbine during the approach. Ah okay. Tisztelt Hölgyeim és Uraim! AMX is also equipped with electronic counter measure devices, including flares and chaff dispensers, to disorient the action of infrared or active/semi-active guided missiles. Four underwing hardpoints, a centerline hardpoint, and wingtip hardpoints all added to the inherent versatility of this relatively compact aircraft. 1. The AMX can easily operate from places with little infrastructure, due to its built-in auxiliary power unit (APU) which allows the start-up of its turbine and other systems. Without sacrifice there is no victory The F2 Sabre does.1500 RPM per gun,times 4,totalling 6000.And you pretty much have the full RoF the moment you pull the trigger,not with half a second of delay.V0 should be nearly identical too,if i´m not mistaken (slightly lower for the M39s by 20-30m/s or so,IIRC).Accuracy wont be that much apart either.Its pretty comparable,really. So yea I still feel the M61 vulcan is simply too good to be on a 9.0 jet that has good enough performance that it can tangle with fighters, even if its behind in Raw top speed. (kivéve Japán és Kína) Az esemény május 2. Strike fighter 2 an old game has gunval sabre as well as M39 based platforms like the F100A/C/D. 21,056 views (746 votes, average: 4.91 out of 5) Wingtip mounts were reserved for short-range air-to-air missiles but the other hardpoints were designed to carry variable ordnance loads from guided missiles, bombs, rocket pods, jettisonable fuel tanks for improved range, and reconnaissance pods or target laser designators. 13 óráig tart. Twitch.tv/pieve16. They sadly dont get any Faster Firing guns until the Mig19S with triple 30mm. The only planes that treid to have a limited degree of resistance to larger HMGS or lower cannons were ground attack jets like the A10 or su25. and just for one nation? Those cannons are also used in the ground-attack rôle, primary function of the aircraft. Id be more inclined to vote yes if it had a weaker gun with that performance, but M61 Vulkan on an aircraft on that performance would be to OP. EpicBlitzkrieg87, December 8, 2017 in Passed for Consideration. Its not som much the climb rate on its own Its whn you COnsider with all factors, of its manuverability, P/W ratio and the fact its overwhelming aramament. Adens followed by 2nd placeT160s  are hands down superior to the Mig15 and Mig17s gun options for fighter vs fighter engagements in particular. ( Mig19S the first jet gets newer guns with a greater ROF). i think not...... Because its Hybrid Fly By wire ( Some surfaces are  merely Hydraulic Boosted)  and others are entirely Computer controlled.... that makes the job harder. Besides, and they offer amazing customer service, you’ll absolutely love shopping at War Thunder. ITs performance in top speed may be limited compared to other aircraft, but its still has a good climb rate. Honestly-if you fire that long enough to overheat,something generally went very wrong.Now with the M61 in this case,sure,you can fire longer.But keep in mind-350 rounds.you have around 3.8 seconds of continous fire,and then you are out.If you waste most of that spraying around (which,if you fire enough that you get the F2 to overheat,is most likely the case),you get one kill at most before you run dry. And even if it was excessive, the top speed would be very limited which is more important in jet combat because speed in a straight line is more important than climbing in jet combat. If one considers  given the M61 vulan as of now would be pretty overwhelming for an aircraft of 9.0. With the F2 sabre you cant  continuouslyeven fire all your ammo without overheating. Point is they can neglect advanced weaponry to implement certain vehicles, like how they added the Tu-4 without the Tsar Bomba. Penetration isnt an issue. Gajin essentialyl needs new Mechanics introduced to properly represent FBW flight Modelling. The training version is a fully-capable attack aircraft, the only difference being the smaller internal fuel capacity, caused by the installation of a second seat in the cockpit. Cnat pull of Snipes or snapshots as well. ( liek Check engine lights if something gos wrong), and hydralically boosted Power steering. http://www.f-16.net/f-16_armament_article5.html. Alenia is now offering to South Africa the Super AMX, equipped with new avionics and a new turbine - Eurojet EJ200, the same that will equip Eurofighter. Modern Planes are built from alimunum. AS well Big aid for  bombing ( via CCIP and/ or CCRP modes). (War Thunder Tanks Gameplay) May 20, 2017 War Thunder 18:44. Oh,it will get the job done alright.Its just that the 27 or 30´s can do it with less ammo and less time. Actually the F9F8 gajin added is representative of the earlier model produced PRe 1956. ( not that the reason for it is its Gun). 13 órától → május 4. Available in a range of colours and styles for men, women, and everyone. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin ... Gentiloni Please, AMX International Ghibli, Italian and Brazilian Strike Fighter. Its reinforced landing gear as well as the Speys power all combine to ease the take-off and landing on unprepared runways (the distance for take-off weighing 10,500 Kg is of approximately 760 m). The AMX International AMX is a ground-attack aircraft jointly developed by Brazil and Italy. You basically have a single gun that performs like 4x20mm T-160 revolver cannons, and 4x30mm ADEN still puts out almost DOUBLE the burst mass of a Vulcan. Nothing bad happened after that. qunaity and good enough firepower + beter ROF  > better firepower, less ammo, worse ROF. Yup this is best analogy Whereas your old caddy is a still luxyuary ride, it is largely Analog displays, and very basic sensors. Internal fuel capacity: 3,555l (2,700kg) internal. Peace, Equality, you thinking Rationally and responding in a Succinct, Coherent, and Informed manner, Without sacrifice there is no victory Published by Gaijin Network Ltd. under the exclusive license. Saw “first flight in 1984” and voted no. Amennyiben rendelkezel egy legalább Tier V-ös járművel, egy event keretében játszhatsz azon nemzet top-tier járműveivel. The Italian name, "Ghibli", is taken from the hot dry wind of the Libyan desert. and arent well armored. Aviation, Russian aircraft (MiGs) and history. They can afford to research and  settle for the best gun, best Electronics,  Best Radar, in larger more expensive airframes to house it all. External fuel capacity: 2x 1,000l (760kg) in inner wing and 2x 500l (380kg) in outer wing. II AA : 4 tanks and 2 aircraft destroyed Valentine Mk. All nations have autocannons.Basically anything 20mm and above is a Autocannon.Hell,some consider 15mm and up autocannons.Now,do the other nations have Gatlings?No.But most have revolvercannons.The only exceptions here so far: Germany (might get two planes with those,G.91R.3 and Alphajet,seeing as it just went PTD) and Russia.Russia being literally the only nation that has any issues in regards to guns,but thats been that way ever since the F2 entered the Airspace. I like to sing, dance, pretained but i like hafing fun, fun, fun, fun, fffuuunn. Well-14 to 16 Mil for Air to Air is what i recall for Air-to-Air.8 to 16 is what i have seen for the M39 so far.In other words,it falls in the same range.You want just enough spread within the gun´s effective range that you can cover the area of a aircraft.Which is pretty much what you would get with that kind of setting. Shop high-quality unique Amx T-Shirts designed and sold by artists. IIRC the thing only gets 350 rounds total for the gun.Which is not much,especially since it will take multiple hits.Even the F2-Sabre (with roughly comparable firepower) gets 460. but the M61 doesnt overheat as much and will be more accurate, not to mention have a much faster ROF than the Revolving cannons that the F2 or ADens. The first production-series aircraft, MM 7089, flew on 11 May 1989 and it was soon followed by the other five examples for extensive tests by the AMI. AMX International AMX / A-11A General Characteristics Crew: 1 Length: 43.41 feet (13.23 meters) Wingspan: 8.87 m (29 ft 1 1⁄2 in) Wing area: 21.0 m² (226 ft²) Height: 14.93 feet (4.55 meters) Aspect ratio: 3.75 Empty weight: 14,837 lb (6,730 kg) Loaded weight: 10,750 kg (23,700 lb) Main armament: 105 mm BK MECA (F2) L/48 (38 rounds) 105 mm gun: Engine: Baudouin Diesel Model 6F11 SRX 280 hp (208.8 kW) IVECO, V6 turbo-Diesel 520 hp (382 kW) Until then, happy hunting tankers! ITs going to be out of place against tanks that have are Mostly from the 70s ( with exceptions). . for M61's. M61's wouldnt have Replaced th  quad M39s confirguration. Viability studies were already concluded by Alenia, Aermacchi, and Elettronica and in December of 1997 a contract was signed for completing its configuration, which will include a avionics revision, installation of GPS and of coloured LCD displays with mobile maps for the electronic systems operator in the rear-seat. Also the F86F2 Gunval sabre is using A prototype of what would become the M39  ( T160). DCS as an actual proper sim, has the F5E tiger 2 which used x2 M39's. ( not that the reason for it is its Gun). I'll give you this one on the climb rate though. AMX International AMX / A-11A - 9.0 Italian Jet Fighter/Ground striker Sign in to follow this . However any platforms with better firepower than what the Mig17 has right now would be power Creep. Max. 52m/s climb rate? 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